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Leading General Counsel Joel Hanson and Adrian Thurston host a four-part podcast series looking to address the current gap in discussion around the organisation and leadership of in-house legal teams.

Speaking from Experience.

We'll be taking listeners on a journey towards smarter working - offering practical steps that can be realistically applied by General Counsel, and lawyers, within their teams.  

Those featured in the podcast speak from experience, offering suggestions on approaches that worked for them and sharing the lessons taken from those that didn't.



lustrum partners,
Joel spent his early career at Herbert Smith. Moving in-house in 2000. After moving in-house, Joel has worked across many industries, most notably for Thames Water.



lustrum partners, co-founder
Adrian has 26 years experience working within in-house legal teams, including Starbucks, Cable & Wireless, MFI plc and GE Capital.



Panoram digital, consulting lead
Rick has over 20 years of commercial leadership experience in enterprise SaaS and technology advisory services. He is co-founder at Panoram Digital, where he leads the consulting team in simplifying digital transformation for Law Firms and Corporate Legal Departments.



Panoram digital, technology lead
Greg Wildisen is a technology visionary who believes in a digital future for legal services. Over 25 years, he has founded and built several innovative legal technology businesses and is an industry-recognised thought leader in technology platforms and product strategy and development.  Companies he has founded or served on the management team of include Neota Logic, Epiq Systems, PinPoint Global, Diskcovery and Ringtail Solutions.


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week FOUR
Seeing the future.

This episode looks at the importance of planning and analysis and how in-house lawyers can avoid becoming overwhelmed by change and instead shape and lead it for their organisations. Lawyers should be taking a leaf from the books of other business areas. The events of the last 18 months have shown how quickly our assumptions can change and tested resilience globally. It's been a reminder that a key part of a legal team's purpose is to be looking ahead.

This episode also looks at how can legal teams use insight from current activities to understand future trends and stop business issues.

Host: Rick Seabrook
Guests: Joel Hanson

week three
The Right Stuff.

This episode looks at the technology that is a vital part of allowing in-house lawyers to work more effectively, and why it's a key component of the smarter working that's essential for the best teams.

In a digital world - is it ever acceptable to remain analogue?

Host: Joel Hanson
Guests: Rick Seabrook, Greg Wildisen

week two
Power to our People.

This episode looks at the most important subject of all - people. We consider the situation many in-house lawyers face in their working lives and what they should be expecting from their leaders and themselves.

With ever increasing demands - do in-house roles provide satisfaction and career development?

Host: Adrian Thurson
Guests: Rick Seabrook

week one
Smarter Working.

How can in-house lawyers adapt their approach to meet the demands of their working lives? This episode sets the scene for the full series, discussing the biggest challenges facing the function today and the future.

Hosts: Joel Hanson, Adrian Thurston